Calcutta ([info]calcuttahart) wrote in [info]expatsjapan,
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suspicious persons

ok....so many of you kids are probably really smart and comfortable here in japan by now.... well, most days i'm not. i've been here about 7 months and only have a basic grasp of the japanese language. hence little things happen all the time that make me realize just what a clueless gaijin i am....and i am going to share one of these moments (a rather large important one) with you in hopes that no one else will fall prey to the same thing i did:

some guy came to the door and said he was a policeman and needed our information (phone numbers, places of work, birthdays, etc) for the city police records. he also asked to see our gaijin cards. i was instantly suspicious because his uniform didn't look very policey, plus he didn't seem very confident, and i just had a bad feeling. my boyfriend assured me that the guy seemed nice enough & he was probably collecting our info for emergency evacuation procedures or something and persuaded me to give the guy my info (what a sweet trusting lad he is! and i always overreact, so i followed his instinct on this one). anyway, i asked my boss about it, and she said it sounded strange, so she called the police and asked them about it. of course they hadn't sent anyone out and said that it must have been someone posing as an officer to gather personal information about residents in order to: 1)scope out the place for anything worth stealing and find out who works outside the home and what times 2)steal identity numbers to make fake IDs and/or take out loans with someone else's ID number & other info 3)who knows what other creepiness??

so what i would like to share with you (besides my own stupidity at giving him ALL my personal info!!) is what the police department told my boss:
1) the police department usually sends officers out in pairs, not alone, to someone's door
2) if the police want to collect personal info, they will tell you explicitly what it's for (and this would be a very rare case). if language is an issue, they would encourage you to call a japanese speaking friend or would just leave and return later with an (insert your language here) speaker
3) police officers will always show clear IDs, and you can copy down their ID numbers for your records
4) police officers who come to your door will always be wearing large badges, also with ID numbers
5) and of course the usual....always keep your door locked, hide your valuables, don't answer the door to anyone you don't know, blah, blah, blah.

so i hope someone out there might find this info helpful!! now, i have some questions. has this happened to anyone else? anyone else heard something about people doing stuff like this? if so, any advice on what extra precautions i should take? (i.e., can i change my ID number or something like that?) any tips on dealing with charges you didn't make in japan (in case it comes to that)? thanks! :) and ganbatte!!
Tags: culture shock, general advice, living in japan

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[info]peanutxpeanut

April 21 2008, 10:17:10 UTC 4 years ago

Holy shit D: I would fall for it.

[info]suojure

April 21 2008, 10:46:19 UTC 4 years ago

I lived in two smaller cities/town when I was in Japan ... never had anything like that when I lived in Sakurai, but within a week of my partner and I moving to Tawaramoto, we had two uniformed policemen at our front door, flashing their badges and asking a heap of questions. They were perfectly friendly, didn't try to come beyond the front door (I've heard they're not allowed to enter private residences on a general basis?), just got our names, viewed our alien rego, and then stood around making general chit-chat with us for a while. I think they said something about them just wanting to know who's in the neighbourhood in case of emergencies or something like that. It never occurred to me that they'd be something other than police, and I think in my case they were genuine. We never had any issues afterwards so presuming they WERE genuine!

[info]starlady38

April 21 2008, 11:01:07 UTC 4 years ago

That's pretty normal from everything I've heard--my advisor was doing her doctoral research and the cops she was interviewing in some parts of Tokyo confessed to being uneasy that they had such data from "only" about 85% of the residents in their precincts.

Of course, here in Kyoto the only people I've had at my door are Jehovah's Witnesses and NTT reps.

[info]suojure

April 21 2008, 12:13:49 UTC 4 years ago

I twice had the local postoffice workers come to my door ... once because they'd mistakenly overcharged me for a parcel I sent home (so they were apologising and returning the money ... and bowing a lot), and second time because my little Hello Kitty phone dangly thing had fallen on the floor without my noticing, so they came all the way to my apartment to give it back to me. I went to that post office once a week for two years, so when I finally moved, I went in and gave them a big box of Australian chocolates, just to say thanks for being awesome.

[info]starlady38

April 21 2008, 14:10:16 UTC 4 years ago

My local post office people have been sugoi too! One came to put a note in my box at 9:30 pm saying they'd charged me the wrong rate for a parcel, and since it was the last day before the New Year holidays he went back with me to the post office so I could fill out the form for the correct rate...then took my box to the main post office the next day, Saturday morning, with no mention of the Y1200 they'd undercharged me. And other people there scratched out stuff on customs forms so my packages wouldn't get rejected...is there a rule somewhere that local post office people have to be amazingly nice?

[info]calcuttahart

April 22 2008, 04:32:33 UTC 4 years ago

you:re absolutely right....that was another thing the police officer mentioned. a police officer will never go into your house for something like that...they will get all info standing outside with the door open!! (this guy came inside AND closed the door behind him, which now that i think about it, could have turned out a lot worse than it did....)

[info]ninja_setsuna

April 21 2008, 11:04:02 UTC 4 years ago

If a police officer demands you show your gaijin card, you do have a legal right to ask the officer to show their credentials as well! However after they do (provided they are real of course) you must do the same.

[info]taiyou_no_ao

April 21 2008, 11:37:01 UTC 4 years ago

woah how creepy. I don't think the police would ever come to your house unless they received a complaint or it's something really serious...espessially not for personal information...the ward office has all your personal info so if the police every needed it that's probably where they would go to get it. Also I have never heard of anyone being asked to show their gaijin cards on any ocassion other than entering/exiting the country, being stopped on a bike, or if you get yourself in some kind of trouble. And as the person above me stated, if you ask a real officer must show his ID. If I was in your situation I don't know what I would have done, probably play stupid gaijin. I never open my door unless I know who is out there or am expecting someone to come by...if you don't answer the door and it was someone important they will more than likely leave some kind of notice with a number to call..so if you're not sure I think it's better to be safe than sorry.

[info]suojure

April 21 2008, 11:46:32 UTC 4 years ago

There's some site online that very clearly outlines the cases in which a policeman in Japan can ask for your gaijin card, and they can ask you to show it as long as they have 'reasonable suspicions' or some rubbish like that. So in theory they can't just randomly ask you to show it, they have to have a reason to be suspicious of you. Which is why you always get foreigners on bikes being asked to show theirs - because foreigners on bikes are suspicious. Very suspicious. My ex was riding to a friend's party late one evening the same night that a car had been stolen in the town we lived in. Not satisfied with demanding to see his alien rego (which he obligingly showed), he was followed home, where he had to get his passport, then detained by the police for several hours for questioning. God forbid you're ever caught riding your bike late at night when a car has been stolen in the same TOWN, it's all sorts of suspicious!

[info]taiyou_no_ao

April 21 2008, 11:57:51 UTC 4 years ago

I find it interesting that happened to a guy as I heard foreign men are the ones normally harassed by police. Almost every foreign guy I know who has been here over a year has been asked to show their card atleast 3 times. I've been here 2 years and never been asked or even got a second glance by police and I don't know any other girls who have either. There was one time I was just waiting for the guy to ask for it...It was 3 am and I was going to the konbini and there was a cop standing on a corner. I have never seen any cops around here this late at night except driving around in cars. Both times I walked by him I was just waiting on him to say something to me but he never did.

[info]taiyou_no_ao

April 21 2008, 12:09:56 UTC 4 years ago

oh and to the OP, don't let little stuff get to you so much or you're never going to be happy. No matter where you are in the world you will always make stupid mistakes and you can never make everyone like you. Just accept you will never be japanese and make the best of it and do your part to be polite and likable and if someone still has a problem with you, well you will probably never see them again anyway. I see so many miserable gaijin and I fail to see what everyone is so angry about. Just as many people, probably more, hate me at home.

[info]calcuttahart

April 22 2008, 04:39:43 UTC 4 years ago

don:t worry....i:m not a generally negative person....just felt dumb after this because i was originally suspicious and wished i had trusted my instincts!! i know that this could happen to anyone anywhere. i do think that i was more naive because of the language barrier and my unfamiliarity with japanese goverment customs and stuff like that, of course.

i thought posting this would be good because 1) it might save someone else from making the same mistake
2) it might have happened to someone else who could give me info about where all i should report this (embassies, city hall??) and if I should change my ID number or something (or if that:s even possible).

i got some info from the police, but if anyone else has been in a similar situation, i:d love to hear advice!

p.s. i was also a nova employee....didn:t get paid for months just after moving here....lost my apartment....etc. i am just now getting my feet back on the ground. sure, shit happens, sure, i have a lot to be thankful for, and i:m totally ok now....for the most part, i love living in japan and have a wonderful time every day!! but my situation here was incredibly stressful and frustrating at first, especially since i was pissed that i had been lied to by job recruiters. i know some people are just negative, but you have to remember that you don:t know everyone:s backgrounds and stories before you can judge if they should be angry or not. maybe something legit is going on.

anyway, thanks everyone, so much for your comments! i did end up reporting the incident to not only the police but also my embassy and city hall. i just hope the creepy man leaves us alone!! :)

[info]starlady38

April 21 2008, 14:14:07 UTC 4 years ago

I'm female, and I was carded twice in the first two months: once on a Sunday afternoon in Nagoya station, and the second time (okay, I can understand this a bit) in a big group of gaijin on the outskirts of Fukuoka at 12:30 a.m. on a Saturday. So sketchy, those foreigners walking back to the station from karaoke to get a taxi!

...OT: I can certainly endorse your point about learning to not let it get to you--certainly nothing we can do about other people's prior assumptions no matter where we are--but that doesn't mean it can't get frustrating. :-(

[info]taiyou_no_ao

April 21 2008, 14:45:18 UTC 4 years ago

Yes I understand it does get frustrating. I get frustrated alot and have bad days but in general I enjoy living here and don't think it's that bad. It's just I know of and see sooo many gaijin who do nothing but complain about how horrible it is living here and seem to take every little thing way too personally and are never happy. I just feel like telling them to shut up and leave if they are that miserable. Not saying the OP is "complaining" though because that story was a little more than the petty stuff.

[info]starlady38

April 23 2008, 09:40:00 UTC 4 years ago

I have to agree on all counts. Not only resident foreigners, but so often when I see foreign tourists here in Kyoto they look so damn unhappy, I just want to go up to them and say, "Why are you so miserable! You could be miserable at home!"

[info]quietrevolution

April 21 2008, 16:21:02 UTC 4 years ago

I was also carded in Nagoya! But not Meieki, I was in Fukiage. I used to teach at an apartment that was right next to a koban. My husband lost the key to his bike lock so he broke the lock so he could still use it. I rode it to work one day and the police stopped me on my way home after the lesson and asked my why the lock was broken. My husband said that sorta thing goes by quickest if I don't use any Japanese so I just said in English that it was my husband's bike, I pointed at his name on the bike and at his name on my gaijin card (I'm here on a dependent visa so he's listed on my card) and the police officer let me go on my way. My husband's been stopped a few times but his card was only asked for three times.

To the original poster: My husband said that the police came to his apartment (before I moved here) and that they did everything according to what you've written, like the whole two police officers and being very official.

[info]starlady38

April 23 2008, 09:37:54 UTC 4 years ago

Fukiage! I have friends who live there. That Italian restaurant by the subway station is so damn good...

[info]shingomama

April 21 2008, 19:42:15 UTC 4 years ago

HA! That's really funny because I DID get asked for my gaijin card in front of a konbini! (I'm a girl) My friend and I were coming out of a konbini at around 3am and noticed two police officers who had stopped a car just in front of the store. I was waiting outside for my friend to come up when they finished, and then they turned and notice my friend and me. They came over and asked to see our cards, and unfortunately BOTH of us had managed to walk out without our cards that night. (we were staying at someone else's apartment and decided to leave our wallets in the apartment because we were going to a bar... I honestly don't know what we were thinking...). So we explained that we had forgotten our cards, then told the police officers were we worked, what we were doing, where we were staying that night (all while being fairly intoxicated), and the police were kind enough to send us on our merry way and tell us to be careful.

I think they asked to see our cards because we were dropped off by a cab in front of a konbini, seemed a bit drunk, and could have quite possibly been prostitutes. O_o That was the only time I was ever asked to show my gaijin card, aside from that one time that I got into a fender bender and had left my international driver's license at home (I was quite forgetful at that time, apparently...).

[info]rirakkumiru

April 21 2008, 11:56:20 UTC 4 years ago

If you live with a Japanese family they NEVER come over, even to say hi.

BTW, you aren't the only foreigner who has been unsatisfied with their life in Japan (I'm living proof!).

[info]thorny_rose

April 21 2008, 12:03:46 UTC 4 years ago

Dump ur bf. :b

Hm, I was asked to show my ID on the street once by a femme officer because she "wanted to make friends". BWAHAHAHA. She didn't even call. :-(

[info]scorchedflower

April 21 2008, 12:42:51 UTC 4 years ago

You got an amusing story from it though...

[info]queen_paradox

April 21 2008, 14:50:09 UTC 4 years ago

thanks

for telling your story. i would've felt suspicious but 'complied' as well. and yeah, sometimes i feel like everyone else had it all figured out 10 months ago but I'm still at the starting line :-) . gotta learn to love ourselves, eh?

[info]8bitpixelrobot

April 21 2008, 16:55:42 UTC 4 years ago

woah, scary.. I`m so damn suspicious of anyone, I`d probably get arrested for not believeing the REAL cops were cops..

thanks for the heads up.. but how are they pinpointing gaijin? do they follow you home???:

[info]calcuttahart

April 22 2008, 04:31:12 UTC 4 years ago

don:t think they are pinpointing gaijin....they knocked on every single door in my apartment and got other resident:s (non gaijin) ino as well!!

[info]min_and_the_sky

April 21 2008, 18:58:43 UTC 4 years ago

wow. that is really creepy. i hope that everything is going to be okay for you!
thank you so, so, SO much for posting this; i am quite sure that when i go to Japan i'll be going alone, and if i were in this situation i probably would have done the same thing that you did.
but now i know better!
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